Peter Davies, son of Eluned Davies / Caldwell / Hill, was born 11 May 1948         in a small hospital at 41 Barkham Road, Wokingham, Berkshire.			click for Complete List of transcribed Birth, Marriage & Death Certificates, for Davies and others.
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  Eluned Davies was born 21 April 1928, the eldest daughter of three of William and Edna May Davies. The next daughter was named Mair and the youngest Olwen.
  William Davies was born 3 February 1893, one of a number of children of Robert and Mary Davies (nee.Davies). He married 5 November 1927 Edna May Griffiths, who was born 28 March 1904 the daughter of Thomas and Mary Jane Griffiths (nee.Humphreys).

Pant Golau, Pensarn,              (1991)         Llanbedr, Merionethshire

  William became a Railway Platelayer (likely), living Pennal Machynlleth, she living Gelli Glasbwell ??? Machynlleth. When they married, she was already pregnant with Eluned, and they lived 3 Pant Golau, Pensarn, Llanbedr, Merioneth (now Gwynedd LL45 2HS).
  There is a suggestion they split up, separated, or divorced. This is uncertain.
  She died 27 March 1967, and he 28 August 1970.
  As time progressed they lived an ordinary life, he as a father was a very strict man from a strict background and also 'strict chapel'.
  Life progressed for Eluned and into her late teens she became a member of the WRAF and became acquainted with a man in or about August 1947. She claims she did not know his name, or in fact anything about him, but during August she had a liaison with him and as a consequence became pregnant, it would appear she never saw him again.
  A little time progressed until her condition came to her father's attention. Fearing the disgrace of such an occurrence she was told to pack and leave and not darken his doorstep again. What was occurring was successfully hidden from her 2 sisters who were roughly 13 and 11 years of age, they did not find out what had happened until 1987.
  She progressed to South-East England and it is recorded she was a Domestic Servant at 115 Southern By-Pass, Botley, Abingdon.
  She gave birth to Peter on 11 May 1948 in a small hospital at 41 Barkham Road in Wokingham, and gave him up (under pressure possibly) for adoption. He was adopted later that same year.
  In 1949 she married in Ireland a John Caldwell, not Peter's father, and had 2 daughters, Carol Ann and Judith Mary in 1950 and 1952.

William Davies 1893 - 1970	Myfanwy Davies 1898 - 1985

  Eluned and John gradually drifted apart and subsequently divorced.
    She married a Mr Hill in 1976, but sadly died 4 Jan 2005, aged 76.
  This all seems pretty simple but there appear to be no family records relating to William and Edna's families from their own generations or earlier.

Mary Davies 1860 - 1941

  The major problem is the only information is "a scribble of unknown origins", saying that William had brothers and sisters so the children would be:-
Mary - Hugh - Annie - William - David - Jennie - Myfanwy - Robert - Thomas John,
not necessarily in that age order.
  Reference to the 1901 census using this group of names does however not produce a household, the closest name group is:-
Annie (b.1887/88) - David (b.1891/92) - William (b.1893) - Jane (b.1894/95) - Elizabeth (b.1897/98) - Robert (b.1900)
  If this is the correct family, any missing names could of course be those who have already left home to work, or as yet to be born.
  This has been suggested by an entry in the 1891 census which shows:-
Hugh (b.1883/84) - Mary (b.1885/86) - Ann (b.1887/88) - David (b.1890)
  If you knit this all together you could deduce a name group which is:-
Hugh (b.1883/84) - Mary (b.1885/86) - Ann/Annie (b.1887/88) - David (b.1891/92) - William (b.1893) - Jane/Jennie (b.1894/95) - Elizabeth and/or Myfanwy (b.1897/98) - Robert (b.1900) - Thomas John (b.190?)
  The parents of course being Robert (b.1862/3) and Mary (b.1860/1) (picture right)
  A matter that has been a concern, as will become apparent to the true Welsh and those familiar with Wales, is the errors that may have occurred with names and place-names. There have been many instances of illegibility and misinterpretation, some of it surprisingly by Registrars and transferred to Birth, Death, and Marriage certificates.
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  Given the only information above that Taid(William) had brothers and sisters and they are:-
Mary - Hugh - Annie - David - Jennie - Nanw(Myfanwy) - Robert - Thomas John, not necessarily in that age order, things should be plain sailing, unfortunately not the case, there appears an anomaly between that tree and what can be found in terms of a household in the 1901 census.
  William has a given birth year of 1893, at this point in time we do not know when his parents married so he could be the first child, the last child, or somewhere in between. We cannot be certain of the true order of any of the names, also some may have been born after the 1901 census.
  If it is accepted that Eluned/Mair/Olwen's father was William Davies born in 1893, at the time of the 1901 census he would be 7 or 8 yrs old.
  If it is accepted that a birth certificate obtained is the correct one and he is born 3 February 1893, at the time of the 1901 census he would be 8 yrs old.
  If it is taken into account a parent makes a small error when telling the census enumerator all their children's correct ages one needs to make at least a small adjustment.
  To that end to go for an age of 8 +/- 1 year, ie. 7, 8 or 9. On the 1901 census for Wales some 48 entries of William Davies are found for that age range. Whilst quite a number could be excluded because they are not of the Pennal/Machynlleth/Mongomery/Merioneth/Cardigan area, he could given unusual circumstances be born somewhere else, prematurely on holiday for instance.
  If you recover the household for each of those entries you will have spent (2 x 50p x 48) = £48.
  To rationalise the exercise one could find a household that contained all those names including the parents. One does not however know the ages of either of the parents or any of the other children, so an assumption of age range has to be adopted.
  For the children this was to be up to 30, say the year 1870. For the parents up to 60, say the year 1840.
  A note for future research should take into account that the census enumerator at the time, or the recent transcribers of the enumerator's pages has mixed his or her's males and females, some 15 male Marys were found for instance.
  It is by good fortune that the transcribed 1901 census contains hypertext data for pageID and personID. So one might suppose that 2 people with IDs 34237100 and 34237101 either live in the same house or next door to each other.

The full text including hypertext per person (and containing an icon) is thus: < / ChargeableServlet?rType=image&pageType=PAGE&pageId=47231640 > < / ChargeableServlet?rType =image&pageType=PAGE&pageId=47231640 >Thomas Griffiths < / SearchServlet?button=submit&person Id=22739935 > 39 Glamorgan Dowlais Glamorganshire Merthyr Tydfil Coal Miner Hewer This can of course be reduced to comma delimited text to import into a database: Thomas Griffiths,22739935,39,Glamorgan Dowlais Glamorganshire Merthyr Tydfil Coal Miner Hewer NB. If one is very enthusiastic one can of course break it down further to "Born County - Born Parish - Census County - Census Parish - Occupation", but be warned that the translation from the original enumerators pages is riddled with the County and Parish transposed, besides misspellings etc..

  After extracting the data for all Marys and Roberts between 1840 and 1901, and all Hughs, Annies, Davids, Jennies, Myfanwys and Thomass between 1870 and 1901, added Williams between 1892-94, you should have included somewhere the whole family.
  That does of course not take into account some of those children being born after the 1901 census, with William being about 8 that certainly has to be a possibility. If he was the first-born several children may have been post 1901.
  Further spanners in the works could be:
  (i) Some first-born children could already have left home
       and be employed, occupations at age 13/14 away from home have been noted.
  (ii) Some children could be staying with relatives,
        many households have been noted containing nieces and nephews.
  (iii) One of the household could be in hospital.
  (iv) One of the household could have died.
  Of the collection of data there are a lot of households that contain 2 or 3 of the names, those that come closest are shown below with last being the favourite because it contains a William of the correct age and it is in Pennal which seems to be a very significant factor in the equation.
  There is however an overall down side in that while one can explain names being missing, it is harder to explain why there are extra names in "Jane" and "Elizabeth", which are actually shown as daughters in the actual census sheet recovered below.

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Name             ID number   Age   Birth place       Census place         Occupation
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Robert Davies    Id=23406187  33   Merioneth Talyllyn Merioneth Talyllyn Slate Quarryman
Mary Davies      Id=23406188  31   Llanwrin Merioneth Merioneth Talyllyn
William Davies   Id=23406189   7   Llanwrin Montgomery Merioneth Talyllyn
Robert Davies    Id=23406190   5   Merioneth Talyllyn Merioneth Talyllyn
Mary Davies      Id=23406192   1   Merioneth Talyllyn Merioneth Talyllyn

Robert Davies    Id=23437471  39   Carnarvon Criccieth Merioneth Festiniog General Labourer
David Davies     Id=23437473  15   Merioneth Festiniog Merioneth Festiniog General Labourer
Robert Davies    Id=23437474  13   Merioneth Festiniog Merioneth Festiniog
Hugh Davies      Id=23437476   6   Merioneth Festiniog Merioneth Festiniog

Robert Davies    Id=23437815  44   Denbigh Denbigh Merioneth Festiniog Slate Quarryman
Robert Davies    Id=23437817  15   Merioneth Festiniog Merioneth Festiniog Slate Quarryman
David Davies     Id=23437819   3   Merioneth Festiniog Merioneth Festiniog

Robert Davies    Id=25740879  38   Merioneth Pennal Merioneth Pennal Slate Quarryman
Mary Davies      Id=25740880  40   Montgomery Aberhosan Merioneth Pennal
Annie Davies     Id=25740881  13   Merioneth Pennal Merioneth Pennal Scholar
David Davies     Id=25740882  10   Merioneth Pennal Merioneth Pennal Scholar
William Davies   Id=25740884   8   Merioneth Pennal Merioneth Pennal Scholar
Robert Davies    Id=25740887  6M   Merioneth Pennal Merioneth Pennal

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1901 Census entry - Felinganol, Pennal, Merioneth - Davies family

Below is the translation into easily readable text with the approxiamate birth years added.  

Dwelling: Felinganol
Census Place: Pennal St Peter, Merioneth

Source:   FHL Film ------     PRO Ref RG13    Piece 5189    Folio 6     Page 3

                    Marr      Age    Sex         Birthplace

Robert DAVIES        M   38     M       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Head        1862/63
      Occ: Farmer

Mary DAVIES          M   40     F       Montgomery Aberhosan
      Rel: Wife        1860/61
      Occ:

Annie DAVIES         S   13     F       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Daughter    1887/88
      Occ: Scholar

David DAVIES             10     M       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Son         1890/91
      Occ:

William DAVIES            8     M       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Son         1892/93
      Occ: Scholar

Jane DAVIES               6     F       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Daughter    1894/95
      Occ: Scholar

Elizabeth DAVIES          3     F       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Daughter    1897/98
      Occ:

Robert DAVIES            6M     M       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Son          1900
      Occ:

   

1891 Census entry - Lower Pennal, Pennal, Merioneth - Davies family

 
Below is the translation into easily readable text with the approxiamate birth years added. This has yet to be confirmed as completely correct since access to the enumerators sheet is still awaited.  

Dwelling:
Census Place: Lower Pennal, Pennal, Machynlleth, Merioneth

Source:   FHL Film ------     PRO Ref RG12    Piece 4587    Folio 9     Page 11

                    Marr      Age    Sex         Birthplace

Robert DAVIES        M   28     M       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Head        1862/63
      Occ: Farmer

Mary DAVIES          M   30     F       Montgomery Machynlleth
      Rel: Wife        1860/61
      Occ:

Hugh DAVIES          S    8     M       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Son         1883/84
      Occ: Scholar

Mary DAVIES          S    5     F       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Daughter    1885/86
      Occ: Scholar

Annie DAVIES         S    3     F       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Daughter    1887/88
      Occ:

David DAVIES            ?mth    M       Merioneth Pennal
      Rel: Son         1890/91
      Occ:

   

  To go a step further backwards/earlier in the Davies tree we now have from William Davies birth certificate that his parents were Robert Davies and Mary Davies (nee Davies).
  If the oldest child Annie shown in the 1901 census is the oldest child at 13 years one might suppose they married 14 years before 1901 which equates to 1887, or of course earlier.
  Examination of the 1891 census does of course show a Hugh and a Mary as possibly the earliest.
  By use of ancestry.com and a lot of time the only marriage that "appears" to fit the criteria is in 1883. That again does need local knowledge to find a clue that can confirm or deny its authenticity.
 

Birth Certificate

Marriage Certificate

Death Certificate

William Davies 1831/32	Marriage 1860
Jane Owens 1837/38	Marriage 1860

John Humphreys 1840/41	Marriage 1862
Mary Ann Jervis 1838	Marriage 1862

Robert Davies 1862	Marriage 1883	Robert Davies 1925
Mary Davies 1860	Marriage 1883	Mary Davies 1941

Thomas Griffiths 1861/62	Marriage 1886
Mary Jane Humphreys 1867	Marriage 1886

Hugh Owen Griffiths 1896

Thomas Trevor Griffiths 1900

Edna May Griffiths 1904	Marriage 1927	Edna May Davies (Griffiths) 1967
William Davies 1893	Marriage 1927	William Davies 1970

Hugh Owen Davies 1883

Mary Davies 1885/86

Ann/Anne/Annie Davies 1888

David Davies 1890/91

Jane Davies 1895

Elizabeth Myfanwy Davies 1898

Spinster

Elizabeth Myfanwy Davies 1985

Robert Davies 1900

Batchelor

Robert Davies 1957

Thomas John Davies 1903

 

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P E N N A L   G R A V E Y A R D

 

NB.   Whilst the death of Jennie Davies      is shown as JULY 6TH 1919, no record    can be found in the National Index of such a death.   ER COF SERCHOC AM JENNIE  DAVIES ANNWYL FERCH ROBERT A MARY DAVIES CWRT, PENNAL BU  FARW  CORPH  6ED  1919 YN  24  MLWYDD  OED --------- O DOWCH, IEUENCCTYD HOFF, YN AWR I ARDDEL ENW IESU MAWR, MAE DUW YN CALW AR EICH HOL FOD TRAGWYDDOLDEB MAITH YN OL. HEFYD AM Y DYWEDEDIC ROBERT  DAVIES HUNODD CHWEF 23. 1925, YN 62 MLWYDD OED "CWR CONEST CYWIR CYNNIL A THAD        UN AWN OEDD YN UN O FIL" HEFYD MARY DAVIES 7 CWRT PENNAL HUNODD CHWEF 13 1941 YN 80 MLWYDD OED. CYMERIAD CYN WYNNED A'R ERA EI FFYRDD OEDD MCR UNLAWN AR SAETH         ER COF HEFYD AM WILLIAM DAVIES 1893 - 1970 1  EPWORTH  TERRACE, ABERMAW AN WAITH YN GYFI AWN EFI A    HUNODD.     IN MEMORY OF WILLIAM DAVIES 1893 - 1970 1 EPWORTH TERRACE, BARMOUTH HIS WORK COMPLETED HE FELL             ASLEEP.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF JENNIE DAVIES DEAR DAUGHTER OF ROBERT & MARY DAVIES CWRT PENNAL DIED  JULY  6TH  1919 24 YRS OLD -------- COME YOUNGSTERS ITS TIME TO GO AS YOU PROMISED TO JESUS GOD IS CALLING AFTER YOU ETERNITY AWAITS YOU ALSO THE FORMER ROBERT DAVIES DIED FEB 23 1925 62 YRS OLD "AN HONEST MAN GOOD CORRECT FATHER     HE WAS ONE IN A THOUSAND" ALSO MARY DAVIES 7 CWRT PENNAL DIED FEB 13 1941 80 YRS OLD PERSONALITY AS WHITE AS SNOW HER WAY WAS AS STRAIGHT AS AN ARROW       ER  COF  ANNWYL AM ROBERT DAVIES TEGFRYN, CWRT, PENNAL A  HUNODD  MEDI  25. 1957, YN  57  MLWYDD OED "TAWEL FO'I HÛN YN Y FRO A       ANWYLODD" HEFYD EI CHWAER ELIZABETH MYFANWY DAVIES HUNODD CHWEFROR 2. 1985 YN 86 MLWYDD OED. "HUNO MEWN HEDD"   IN DEAR MEMORY OF ROBERT DAVIES TEGFRYN, CWRT, PENNAL DIED SEPT 25. 1957, 57 YRS OLD "HE LIES QUIETLY ON THE VALE HE          LOVED" ALSO HIS SISTER ELIZABETH MYFANWY DAVIES DIED FEBRUARY 2 1985 86 YRS OLD. SLEEP IN PEACE

 

The Griffiths connection

 

  Having used a certain degree of logic because of the number of names in the Davies line, approaching the Griffiths connection is going to need a different approach since we are only aware of Edna May Griffiths marrying William Davies, there are no relatives mentioned.
  Given the Edna May Griffiths birth certificate we do have her parents as Thomas Griffiths and Mary Jane Griffiths (nee Humphreys).
  It is also noted that Edna May was born in 1903/04 by virtue of age, so she will not appear on the 1901 census, so one cannot link a Thomas with an Edna May using data from the census.
  There is however a flimsy way to look at this family since mother and daughter have middle names. One could perhaps suppose that although Edna May was born after the census she may have had brothers and sister already alive.
  This takes us back to gathering all the Thomas Griffithses and all the Mary Griffithses that are husband and wife for say the 20 years before the 1901 census. There are a number of possibilities but on closer examination only one has a Mary Jane as opposed to just Mary or Mary something else. A bonus is that all their children have middle names which takes us back to "a flimsy way to look at this family".
  Some time looking at ancestry.com, again for 20 years back from 1901, does throw up a marriage in 1886, the marriage certificate also has the couple and their respective fathers in farm related occupations.
  Once again, this does need local knowledge to find a clue that can confirm or deny it's authenticity.
 

1901 Census - possible Griffiths family

Dwelling: Gellyfydir
Census Place: Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire

Source:      FHL Film ------    PRO Ref RG13 Piece 5187    Folio 27    Page 1

                       Marr  Age   Sex    Birthplace

Thomas GRIFFITHS        M     38    M     Iscoed Cardiganshire
      Rel: Head             1862/63
      Occ: Farmer

Mary Jane GRIFFITHS     M     32    F     Isygareg Montgomeryshire
      Rel: Wife             1868/69
      Occ:

Mary Elizth GRIFFITHS   U     14    F     Isygareg Montgomeryshire
      Rel: Daughter         1886/87
      Occ:

David John GRIFFITHS    U     12    M     Isygareg Montgomeryshire
      Rel: Son              1888/89
      Occ:

Susannah Jane GRIFFITHS U      7    F     Isygareg Montgomeryshire
      Rel: Daughter         1893/94
      Occ:

Margaret Ann GRIFFITHS  U      6    F     Isygareg Montgomeryshire
      Rel: Daughter         1894/95
      Occ:

Hugh Owen GRIFFITHS     U      4    M     Isygareg Montgomeryshire
      Rel: Son              1896/97
      Occ:

Thomas Trevor GRIFFITHS U     6M    M     Isygareg Montgomeryshire
      Rel: Son               1900
	Occ:


(presumption of Edna May GRIFFITHS to appear in 1904,
                                      with maybe another child 1901-03)

   

The Humphreys connection

 

  It is apparent that Mary Jane Humphreys is an unusual name and should throw up few possibles in the 1881 census.
  Her marriage to Thomas Griffiths is 27 April 1886 where she is shown as 19 years. If that is correct her birth would have been between 28 April 1866 and 26 April 1867, so on the 1881 census her age would be either 14 or 15.
  There are in fact 10 families that contain a Mary Jane, only 2 have a father called John (as on marriage certificate), and one has a good match for age.
  Yet again, local knowledge may clinch the correct family, assuming all before is correct.

1881 Census - possible Humphreys family (1) - but if we have the correct birth cert for daughter Mary Jane, parents are wrong name.

Dwelling: Cefn
Census Place: Broughton, Denbigh, Wales

Source:        FHL Film 1342326     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 5516    Folio 4    Page 1

                       Marr  Age   Sex    Birthplace

David HUMPHREYS         M     39    M     Brymbo, Denbigh, Wales
	Rel: Head
	Occ: Coal Miner

Elizabeth HUMPHREYS     M     38    F     Broughton, Denbigh, Wales
      Rel: Wife

Mary Jane HUMPHREYS           13    F     Brymbo, Denbigh, Wales
      Rel: Daur

David Chs. HUMPHREYS          11    M     Broughton, Denbigh, Wales
      Rel: Son
      Occ: Scholar

Winifred HUMPHREYS             8    F     Broughton, Denbigh, Wales
      Rel: Daur
      Occ: Scholar

Evan Moses HUMPHREYS           6    M     Broughton, Denbigh, Wales
      Rel: Son
      Occ: Scholar

William Oliver HUMPHREYS       3    M     Broughton, Denbigh, Wales
      Rel: Son
      Occ: Scholar

Louisa Ann HUMPHREYS           1    F     Broughton, Denbigh, Wales
      Rel: Daur

   

Dwelling: Dovey View
Census Place: Machynlleth, Montgomery, Wales

Source:        FHL Film 1342317     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 5477    Folio 49    Page 27

                       Marr  Age   Sex    Birthplace

John HUMPHREYS          M     42    M     Lanfair, Montgomery, Wales
      Rel: Head             1840/41
      Occ: General Labourer

Ann HUMPHREYS           M     39    F     Carno, Montgomery, Wales
      Rel: Wife             1843/44


Mary Jane HUMPHREYS     U     15    F     Carno, Montgomery, Wales
      Rel: Daur             1865/66
      Occ: General Serv

Harriet HUMPHREYS       U      8    F     Trefeglwys, Montgomery, Wales
      Rel: Daur              1872/73
      Occ: Scholar

John HUMPHREYS          U      6    M     Machynlleth, Montgomery, Wales
      Rel: Son               1874/75
      Occ: Scholar

Edward EDWARDS          U     18    M     America
      Rel: Boarder
      Occ: General Labourer

   

Dwelling: Bryn Yr Ysgol
Census Place: Dyserth, Flint, Wales

Source:        FHL Film 1342328     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 5527    Folio 58    Page 18

                       Marr  Age   Sex    Birthplace

John HUMPHREYS          M     41    M     Aberystwyth, Cardigan, Wales
      Rel: Head
      Occ: Stone Mason

Elizabeth E. HUMPHREYS  M     38    F     Llandrygarn, Anglesey, Wales
      Rel: Wife

Mary Jane HUMPHREYS     U     17    F     Llandrygarn, Caernarvon, Wales
      Rel: Dau
      Occ: ((Domestic Duties))

William E. HUMPHREYS          14    M     Dyserth, Flint, Wales
      Rel: Son
      Occ: Scholar

John HUMPHREYS                 8    M     Dyserth, Flint, Wales
      Rel: Son
      Occ: Scholar

James H. HUMPHREYS             4    M     Dyserth, Flint, Wales
      Rel: Son
      Occ: Scholar

   

  If you have managed to find your way through this sea of theory and supposition, does some of it make sense, do you recognise a member or a branch of your family?

  If the answer is yes it would go some way to resolving my quest, plus you may have gained information of another branch of your family.

  As previously mentioned, there are many errors or misunderstandings about names and place names, help with those would be most beneficial and educational.  
 

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Sources of information

 

Site	Comment	Link
FreeBMD is an ongoing project, the aim of which is to transcribe the Civil Registration index of births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales.	Aims to provide free Internet access to the transcribed records.	http://www2.freebmd.rootsweb.com
		http://freebmd.rootsweb.    com/cgi/search.pl
	G e n e s  C o n n e c t e d 2004 - G e n e s  R e u n i t e d Some free, quarterly or annual fee.	http://www.genesconnected.co.uk 2004 - now changed to:- http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/
1901 Census Website, Official genealogy site of the 1901 Census for England and Wales.	The service is available 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Partly free, partly a fee per item.	http://www.census.pro.gov.uk/ 2004 - now changed to:- http://www.1901census.    nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Office for national statistics (ONS), General Register Office for England and Wales online ordering service.	The General Register Office (GRO) holds a central copy of all registrations for England and Wales. Local Register Offices also hold records of events registered in their area.	http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/ 2004 - now changed to:- http://www.gro.gov.uk/
The General Register Office is a part of the Office for National Statistics.	PO Box 2, Southport, Mersyside PR8 2JD   The telephone service is excellent.	Tel: 01704 569824 - switchboard Tel: 0845 603 77 88 - certs Fax: 01704 550013 Email: certificate.services@ons.gov.uk
Search the Largest Online Genealogy Collection, 1851-1901 UK & Wales census with other being added.	Some free searching, more for a fee.	http://www.ancestry.co.uk
Search For Your Ancestors	Some free searching, more for a fee. Family Trees. Message Boards.	http://www.ancestry.com
Family  Research  Link	Entire copy of the indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths for England and Wales, 1837 to 2002. Images are available to search, save, print, for a modest fee.	http://www.1837online.    com/Trace2web/
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.   Ancestral File. International Genealogical Index.   Pedigree Resource File. US Social Security Death Index.   Vital Records Index. Search Family History Web Sites.   1881 British Census.	A CD collection of the 1881 British Census is available to purchase.	http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/          Search/frameset_search.asp
	The Parish of Llangynfelyn. The history of a single parish south of the Dyfi where there was an exchange of folk with the north of the Dyfi.	http://www.llangynfelyn.org
The Parish Chest	The Online Genealogical Shop which is the coming together of many genealogical sites.	http://www.parishchest.com
W a l e s   I n d e x   Web Directory for Wales		http://www.walesindex.co.uk

 

There are of course numerous ancestry sites, family sites, etc., out there to look at. You only have to type in a name significant to you into a search engine and see what pops up.

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Disclaimer: Whilst I endeavour to ensure the content of this site is correct, I cannot undertake that information you find here, is, or will remain accurate and complete. If you wish to place reliance on any such information you must check it's accuracy by some other means before doing so.
  Much data shown is deduced and is subject to change given access to more correct or accurate sources. If relying on said information to further your own research you should periodically check that it remains unchanged.
  If at some time you have reason to doubt any data you find you are welcome to e-mail with information to correct said data. Given the uncertainty of same, I am very aware mistakes do occur and can oft times be corrected by local knowledge or specialist knowledge.